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Nov. 5th, 2008 @ 06:53 pm New Member
Hey everyone, my name's Flinch and I'm a 20-year-old black-footed ferret fur. I've been in the fandom for 5 years now and I'm getting more and more annoyed with the direction the fandom has gone in. It's become an embarassment, and while I love being a fur I rarely associate with other furs because, as has been said in the past, "Anthropomorphics fandom is being overrun by sexually dysfunctional, socially stunted and creatively bankrupt hacks and pervs."
I'm very happy to see there is a group that is trying to change all that.
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From:mikethekitty
Date:November 6th, 2008 01:14 am (UTC)
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I couldn't agree more. I hope that this group comes back to life soon...
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From:ashmcairo
Date:November 7th, 2008 07:36 pm (UTC)
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Sorry that I have been woefully neglecting this group. I'm wrapped up in personal things (family and work mostly; I have a kid on the way and work is getting really busy with my recent promotion and will then some) and I've been recruiting people from my small list of IM contacts to pitch in for the furry web projects. Without the additional help on those web projects and/or a second-and-or-third-in-command to help out in keeping the community spirit things will continue to move at a snails pace.
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From:oiseucalypt
Date:November 6th, 2008 06:43 am (UTC)
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That's one of the same reasons (the other being time!) I've decreased my association with the word and community.
Unfortunately, I'm not much of an activist so I don't get really anything done against it aside from an online presence.
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From:ashmcairo
Date:November 7th, 2008 07:31 pm (UTC)
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If an online presence is all you can muster right now then that is a good start. If you're interested in helping out with any of the projects being worked on please hit me up on IM.
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From:ashmcairo
Date:November 7th, 2008 01:22 pm (UTC)
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Just remember that the correct way to change people is not to call them out on it but to set a good example. We are all entitled to our beliefs, but we are not to imposed those those beliefs on other. We are to remain as professional as possible to our friends, family, and the public at large.
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From:thelistener
Date:November 9th, 2008 11:16 pm (UTC)
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Thankfully, we have the benefit of that we know most of the fandom isn't that bad off, it's mostly just the hurdle of a sense of consiousness that it is "Okay" to have both a sexual side and a non-sexual side, that it is "OK" and even encouraged to express yourself in new ways, to show off your talents even if you aren't good at them. I think that's the biggest reason why the fandom is so sexualized, it is easier to express that part of us to each other than a part of ourselves that may be seen as too "different" or a niche.

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From:symphonic_rp
Date:November 15th, 2008 02:38 am (UTC)
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"Anthropomorphics fandom is being overrun by sexually dysfunctional, socially stunted and creatively bankrupt hacks and pervs."
This is a statement that is now more than a decade old which I think was in reference to a very different fandom and situation than we see today.

As I look around today, having kicked certain individuals to the curb who were always throwing the bad stuff in my face and doing everything in their power to make me feel bad about being a Furry, what I see is what I always wished Furry to be, a fun fandom for an art form I love filled with beautiful people of various types who enhance and brighten my life.

Previously, I did see the sexual content as something of an embarrassment, and a detriment to the market I work in, but now I see it as just being a product of the times - a reflection of something that's happening in every other fandom on the net. The world is just over hyped on sex these days, and Furry would indeed be strange if it wasn't as well. And, unless you're ready to go out and change the world, there's not a whole heck of a lot you can do about it.

The best thing to do is just go out and enjoy the good things the fandom has to offer. Let those good things be the things you talk about and make visible to the public, rather than going out and drawing everyone's attention to the things you wish would go away.

I have found that, by doing this, the bad things that were preventing me from enjoying the fandom have indeed gone away. I don't see them anymore, because I don't go looking for them. And if something I don't like crosses my path, I just look past it to something I do like.

I don't believe a fandom is any kind of organized entity that you can change with a campaign. It's just fans being fans, and fans in any fandom have a tendency to be silly, and more than a little embarrassing. This just comes with the territory. But if you try to get all serious and start saying fans should do this or fans should think this way . . . well, you're just proving the point that fans are silly, thinking fans would ever be moved as a group by such things.

Anyway, like I said, that statement is over 10 years old. And if the fandom is being over run by anything at this point, it's fans - many of whom seem never to have heard of Burned Fur or seen the CSI episode, which by the way has also put on some age.

So, best advice, stop worrying about the reputation of the fandom. Just enjoy the fandom. Show off the things you enjoy. And just act like you can't see anything you find embarrassing. Don't denounce it, don’t criticize it, don't write mile long essays about it like I used to. By doing stuff like that we become a bigger problem for the fandom than the things we protest against.

In other words, if you really want to improve anthro, fill this site with things to be proud of anthro for, rather than a lot of whining about things you're ashamed of it for. Try it. It's worked wonders for me.
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From:laser_weasel
Date:November 15th, 2008 04:34 am (UTC)
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I'll have to admit to you, that post was too long to hold my attention so I just skipped to the end.

I realize that's an old quote, I was just expressing my opinions, didn't need a whole lecture.

Edited at 2008-11-15 04:35 am (UTC)
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From:djmermaid
Date:January 30th, 2009 05:26 am (UTC)
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you should go back and read the whole thing - she's right.
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From:shiuk
Date:May 1st, 2009 04:26 am (UTC)
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Can't help but clap at this message.
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From:ashmcairo
Date:March 4th, 2009 02:51 pm (UTC)
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For those who say that the fandom is plagued with people who lack social skills... you've unfortunately found these people that make themselves well aware of their presence. On a whole, we're all decent people. Problem is being decent is very well advertised. What you should be doing instead of leering back from the fandom is getting back into it and doing what good could you can in it. It maybe an old meme by now, but I ask everyone to at minimum set a good example for those around you.
From:masterwolfman
Date:January 11th, 2011 12:40 am (UTC)
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"Anthropomorphics fandom is being overrun by sexually dysfunctional, socially stunted and creatively bankrupt hacks and pervs." great point but wasn't that said by burned fur? http://burnedfur.mv.com/main.html
From:(Anonymous)
Date:January 12th, 2011 10:34 pm (UTC)
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Yes, which is why I prefaced it by saying "as has been said in the past"

Also, this post is now quite old, I don't participate in this group anymore.

~Flinch, a.k.a. laser_weasel