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Apr. 11th, 2009 @ 03:05 pm Score!
Wow, sweet -- I'm so glad to see that there's other people that share my feelings! I started looking to see if there was a group committed to cleaning up the fandom after a couple of my favorite IRC channels were becoming overrun with babyfurs and creepy fetishists. I absolutely LOVE the squeaky-clean rainbows and gumdrops surface of the fandom, and I LOVE being a fursuiter and a furry; but I HATE that I can't share that love with my Army/straight-laced friends.

So....my question now is, where do I start? What can I do to help clean our image up?
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From:ashmcairo
Date:April 14th, 2009 03:05 pm (UTC)
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Simply setting a good example for your fellow fans is the best start to help clean up our image. If you want to take it up a notch, do some community service in honor of your fandom. Volunteer at an animal shelter, a hospital, a homeless shelter... an heck, where a con shirt or something while you do it and see if you can drag a fur or two along for company.
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From:craftyandy
Date:January 10th, 2011 06:17 am (UTC)
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This is all you really need to do and not worry about anyone else's doings unless they are with your immediate group.
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From:x_eleven
Date:May 20th, 2009 10:18 pm (UTC)
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"What can I do to help clean our image up?"

Unfortunately, precious little. If you see something you don't care for, you might try sending an e-mail or PM to the offending party to politely (emphasis on politely) ask them to tone it down a bit. May be that'll work and may be it won't. What will definitely not work is creating a public drama-storm over the issue.

You can not control the behaviour of others, but you sure can control the company you keep. Sometimes, you just have to walk away from a situation that makes you uncomfortable.

"I absolutely LOVE the squeaky-clean rainbows and gumdrops surface of the fandom..."

If this is what you like, then lend it your support.

"...I LOVE being a fursuiter and a furry; but I HATE that I can't share that love with my Army/straight-laced friends."

Why can't you share it? Not saying that you should proselytize to everyone you meet (you'll get a rep for being a pest that way) but those who already know what you are like, well, already know what you are like. You might be surprised: your Army buddies and "straight-laced" friends have probably already figured it out. Telling them that you're a furry will probably not be news to them.

As for your original question, it is not possible to change everyone's perception all at once. These organizations with all their sound and fury can not compare to the power of the MsM. However, you can change perceptions one person at a time. It isn't spectacular, and you probably will never see your successes. Nothing, but nothing, sends furbash bullshit to mental /dev/null faster than this thought: "I met one of those furry's once, and he wasn't like that at all".
From:salvar
Date:June 5th, 2009 10:55 pm (UTC)
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Hee hee. The highest-quality mockery occurs when those who are being mocked can't tell. :D Kudos.
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From:privatepony
Date:June 5th, 2009 11:03 pm (UTC)
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What?
From:salvar
Date:June 6th, 2009 09:08 am (UTC)
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Oh my. You were serious.
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From:privatepony
Date:June 6th, 2009 11:58 am (UTC)
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You're retarded. Choke on a dick.
From:knyazhnko
Date:September 7th, 2009 08:28 pm (UTC)
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"Setting a good example," eh? This group is hardly an improvement from the last one.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:September 21st, 2010 09:32 pm (UTC)
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Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.
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From:craftyandy
Date:January 10th, 2011 06:22 am (UTC)
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Nice response I see the fandom is on it's way of being cleaned up and becoming more wholesome for the whole god damn family.
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From:chrisdragon
Date:July 22nd, 2009 03:50 am (UTC)
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Does making fun of the people who end up on the news for doing illegal things (underage sex/pedophilia, zoophilia/beastality, attempted murder, etc) count?

I too am sick of seeing negative press in the media about us because of some dumbshit doing stupid things.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 16th, 2010 08:28 pm (UTC)

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I'm sick of people who think the way to fight negative press is to give it more attention.
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From:craftyandy
Date:January 10th, 2011 06:23 am (UTC)
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what he said... and some of those topics are grey areas. Ever heard the saying "17 can get you twenty?"
From:fenrir3141
Date:October 30th, 2010 03:22 am (UTC)

One more wolf

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Hey man I am another pissed off fur, so add one more feral wolf to your list. Umm I just made this LJ just to be in your group so I don't know how to use LJ yet, Umm but hell yeah BURNED FUR'S!!!
From:(Anonymous)
Date:January 10th, 2011 06:14 am (UTC)
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Well I don't see what there is to clean up per say. I share this with all of my so called straight lace friends. There is nothing to explain ahead of time when you bring people to a convention or a meet. I sure as hell haven't, I just answered questions that come if any of them don't want to be my friend or talk to me because of what other people's buisness whether on the internet or in a closed hotel room fuck em.
I never witnessed this invasion of babyfurs and fetishists? Where IRC? People still go on those things? How do you find the time? I don't see exactly what is keeping your straight laced uptight frineds from getting involved. Who uses IRC I did maybe three times and that was more than I felt I should.
This so called bad image doesn't exactly involve anything destructive to social infrastructure (illegal activity).
I would maybe say you have a valid point if this whole thing were shrinking but it's not it's getting bigger every year the only thing that needs to happen is to get big enough that it's practical for some big artists to get involved regularly, coming back again with dealers tables being public about it etc. maybe find some other major publishers that don't specify in furry to promote and sell their books (which is hard to do if content is not targeted specifically at bratty little kids and is exclusively anthro with no humans.)
Cleaning up the fandom sorry I don't care about someone who is offended by the certain existence of certain things. They can go to hell simple as that those same people would not be interested no matter how "clean" it is. I understand their needs to be common sense involved can't have erotic material out in the open on display without proper covers etc.
There is a need to bring in the next generation of furs (artspots I guess is fine but whatever not like I wasn't watching freddy and seeing boobs at age eight) and for adults to feel safe bringing their kids but there is also a need to get and keep adults interested and involved too. Not specifically erotica just mature content, your "Pride of Baghdad" and "Elephantmen" as oppose to just having whinny the pooh.

The questions I have to ask is, Why should I feel like there is something to clean up? Why does it even matter what strangers I don't know and may never know think of me because they see me wearing a collar and tail, or fursuit? I'll act however I please if someone doesn't like it they can always try to murder me.

I think this is doomed from the start as another oversensitive uptight movement. You ever thought that people generally just need to get over the sexual nature of some the furry shit out there because that's all that gets people going. you can have blood and guts all over the place as long as no penises or breasts are involved. Here is another thought I guarantee if NONE of the so called "creepy fetish" stuff didn't exist in the first place furries would still be getting made fun of and ridiculed and having a mocking image portrayed on the news because in the end it's grown adults dressing up as cartoon characters and that in it of itself can not be taken seriously. And most people who do have a problem with any of it don't have the balls to say anything off the internet or really they are smart and know not to give a shit.
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From:craftyandy
Date:January 10th, 2011 06:15 am (UTC)
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that above comment is mine
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From:tyciol
Date:October 29th, 2011 08:33 am (UTC)
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I think the best way to clean the image is just to provide positive constructive examples.

You're going to have people with deviating interests in pretty much any group, and short of killing them (which I really hope such hate does not come to) I don't see any way to remove them, since their interests clearly do overlap in some ways (though in others they do not).

Basically by providing a positive example, you can inspire new fans to join your kind of fandom, which will proportionately increase its population.

You may even attract the deviants you dislike to appreciate the more pure concepts.

I actually sort of experience this a bit myself. I'm probably one of the people you'd dislike for looking at some of the more raunchy art out there, but after a while the innovation gets tiresome and you can appreciate stuff that seems more conservative for its subtleties. It's sort of like how you can go full circle from "omg hentai anime, tentacles!" to "this is actually kind of boring, the acting is horrible" and suddenly you're watching Rose of Versailles.
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From:nikolinni
Date:February 8th, 2013 07:36 am (UTC)
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I really don't think there's much you can do for "cleaning up the image". The most I can think of is taking the ol' boycott approach and refusing to support those who do the things you don't like (for example, not following certain artists and encouraging friends not to do the same) but in the end...well it's hard to control an entire fandom.

Let me be straight with you. I used to not like the fact that on places like FA people seemed to draw nothing but yiff art, but when you get down to it, there's a plethora of reasons why people do the things they do. Maybe by being a "furvert" with their art they're trying to explore sexuality via their character and what they draw or commission people to draw; maybe with sexual stories they're trying to do more than have characters be mere yiff puppets; and maybe those with the odd fetishes like plushphelia (sp) or zoophilia feel that somewhere like the fur fandom is a place where they can find others with like minds -- and people who won't damn them for something they happen to like. And there's nothing wrong with babyfurs -- maybe they had issues when they were a baby and maybe there's some other kind of issue we don't know about, and maybe their fascinated with the life as a babe. If it bothers you so, just ignore it.

The best thing to do is not pay attention to it, and ignore it. If someone keeps linking you to kinky art you don't like, let them know. If artwork on FA bothers you, flip the Safe For Work switch on. But you cannot and will not be able to "Clean up" the fandom; such a thing suggests you aim to do away with or change the minds of those who wish to engage in the things that you detest. And since the latter is not likely to happen, and nor the former, I suggest you try to move on from it and not let it bug you.

As for your "Straight laced" friends...well do the best you can to explain that yes, there are furverts in the fandom, but any fandom has people like that; Anime/Manga has the people drawing doushinji (sp), there's the perverted gamers who like to oogle jiggle physics of boobs, people who turn Role Playing into Sex Playing, and so on. If they can't seem to tolerate the fact you like furry because it's furry...well different folks different strokes; some just don't get why people like furry things.

Well, that's just about all I have to say on the subject. Just ignore the kinky stuff you don't like and go for the stuff you DO like -- stop focusing on the dark (or at least what's dark to you) and focus on your light in the fandom. Because if you focus on only the dark -- well you might just make your own candle dwindle in due time.

NKL



Edited at 2013-02-08 07:39 am (UTC)